Buffett on Outsourcing
Warren Buffett on Manufacturing and Outsourcing
Berkshire Hathaway started the textile business; in fact it goes back into the 1800s if you go to all the predecessor companies. I got in in 1964. We had a couple thousand employees in New Bedford; it was down from 12,000 by the time I got there. Twelve thousand had cut down to two thousand. We had a couple thousand people—very decent workers, working for low wages. It was a lousy job in terms of pay. They were skilled at what they did. Mostly Portuguese. New Bedford was a whaling town and there wasn’t one thing wrong with that labor force. And we got killed, basically. If you talk about comparative advantage in this world, people are willing to work a lot cheaper someplace else. And there wasn’t any answer. And when you talk about retraining people—these were people 55 years of age. I mean, a prosperous society has to provide a safety net for people like that. Through no fault of their own, they were in a position of being a horse when the tractor came in. There’s no other way to put it. They didn’t have the ability, at 55 or 60, to find work as computer experts. The free market did them in. The free market, of course, does all kinds of good things in this country, but you have to take care of people like that. That happened in textiles; it’s still happening in textiles. It’s wiping out the Burlington industry, WestPoint companies, Tultex. Bankruptcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy. They won’t come back.
I also got into shoes. This country literally—Americans buy 1.2 billion pairs of shoes a year. We’re a nation of Imelda Marcos’s. I buy a pair of shoes about every ten years or so. But a billion 200,000 pairs a year. Practically all of that was made in this country except the very high-price lines, 40 years ago, you know Rockford, Massachusetts. It’s down probably under 4% now. We were one of the last American manufacturers of American shoes. We did them up in Dexter, Maine. I bought the company some years ago and they had terrific styling and the whole works. We had a great labor force. Management loved the people, the people loved the management and we were making decent money and the money just went down the tubes. Because somebody else was willing to work for one-tenth of the wages of the people of Dexter, Maine. There is no domestic shoe industry as a practical matter today.
The same thing is now happening in furniture as Bill Child will tell you. Bill, twenty years ago, I don’t know what percentage of your purchases were made over there. But they went to North Carolina, they went to Drexel, to Broyhill and all these people. And now we go there and a lot of those people are buying over in China, so we go directly and buy it ourselves. We’re big enough so we can make our own direct purchases instead of somebody else buying it and stamping their name on it and marking it up 20%. The furniture industry, at least in anything but high labor content, is leaving us and it’s not the fault of the workers at all. It’s just the nature of the globalized sourcing, in effect.
Now you mention Shaw Industries. Shaw is the largest manufacturer of carpet in the world. We have sales of 14.5 billion now. Labor’s only 15% of carpet. As a practical matter, if you analyze all the cost factors and everything, it will go there. We also own Fruit of the Loom. That manufacturing, 80% of it has gone to Central America. First it went to Mexico and now it actually goes to Guatamala and places like that. As long as we believe in free trade in this country, you’re going to have all those high labor content businesses—actually even things like software, now India has become a real factor in that industry. And Bill Gates with Microsoft is working more and more with people in India. It’s a real problem in this country. I don’t know what industries are next. But you’re talking millions of people when you go from textiles, and shoes, and now furniture, and there aren’t great replacement jobs for those people. They’re not going to move into all kinds of wonderful jobs.
There’s a significant percentage of your population that is non-productive so that productive people have to turn around and be offered more. It puts more and more strains in the economy. The fact is, we’re seeing some of that.
I’ve learned the hard way. I’ve learned in the shoe business and the textile business. And I’ve learned the hard way. There are times you cannot fight. You cannot fight with labor at X here and at one-tenth, or even a fifth, or fourth X someplace else. People aren’t going to buy it from you just because it says “Made in America” on it. They’ll go to Wal-Mart and if our Fruit of the Loom underwear—forget the quality—if it has the best price on it, we’re gonna sell it. If somebody figures out how to do it for 50 cents-a-three-pack or something cheaper, then we’ve got a problem. We’re okay because we’ve got 16,000 people working for us outside the United States and about 4,000 people working for us in the United States.